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Clint Bisbee's avatar

This is awesome - I've really loved this read along Parker!

I agree that Herbert is responding to Plato and showing that anyone who seeks power is corrupt and that they aren't what we want or expect.

I think the theme of missed expectations and lack of control is what struck me the most in the book. Paul was not what ANYONE expected, except maybe the Fremen and even then I don't know if he was exactly what they expected. Paul was not an easily slaughtered heir of the mortal enemy of the Harkonnens. He was the Kwistz Haderach, but not what the Bene Gesserit expected or wanted. He was "human" but also Harkonnen. And if he was the Philosopher-King like you mention, he certainly isn't what we picture or want!

No one was in control... except Paul and his control came at a great cost. The guild was not in control of the Spice, and it cost them, the Bene Gesserit could not control Paul because they hadn't anticipated what he would be. The emperor was unable to control/destroy him like he thought he could.

I think Herbert is casting doubt on the ability to control anything... and yet despite this there is some overarching logic to the world... I think for Herbert it's the collective unconscious that drives all of humanity toward what it "needs" in this case the Jihad. So while humanity may not be in control... something is that is passionless and logic driven.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting.

The other thing that really struck me was in the Appendix on the ecology of Dune, when it says "A system has order, a flowing from point to point. If something dams that flow, order collapses. The untrained might miss the collapse until it was too late. That's why the highest function of ecology is the understanding of consequences." I realized that this is the whole book!!! There is an ecology to the spice, which "flows" until Paul dams it and then the order that humanity had so brilliantly constructed collapsed because the "untrained" (i.e. the Harkonnens, the Emperor, the Guild, everyone) couldn't see the consequences of their actions.

These essays have been fantastic Parker, looking forward to the call on Wednesday!

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Ivan's avatar

I really enjoyed the reading along series. It was the first time reading Dune and while started later I was consistently going faster than the essays have been published.

I just bought Dune Messiah to keep reading. Hope it is also worth it.

Thanks!

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