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Felix's avatar

I have two main issues with book IV: one, the "middleman" in the problem of good and evil, and two, the "haha gotcha you're too dumb to see God's plan" bit.

First, there's a lot of talk about good and wicked men, but what about those who are in the middle? Those who are somewhat good, but imperfect. This is the vast majority of actual people, because it's incredibly difficult to be either 100% good or 100% bad. Yet the book presents this as a dilemma that has to be chosen between. It feels like a too-simplistic view of reality, where people are either good or bad and there's no possibility of being just.. normal, I guess.

In general, this is something I've noticed the book does a lot. The arguments are purely abstract, and there's no satisfaction in any of the conclusions; they don't even feel as if they're talking about the real world. The whole book seems purely a thought exercise, thinking in extremes and trying to tie everything up neatly by saying "well actually it LOOKS like this, but it's actually THAT!" which in many cases disregards the actual real-world consequences of the thing in question.

Second, the part about us not being in the right position to truly understand the plan isn't much of an argument, in my opinion. "Well, you're just looking from the wrong perspective, so really I'm right and you're wrong!" It's an argument that can be used from any perspective, and offers no actual proof of the rightness or wrongness of either position.

I'm curious to know your thoughts on this, though. I'm not all that well-versed in philosophy yet, and I could very well be missing things here, it just all feels a bit... off to me.

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Lee Majors's avatar

One of the great things about reading classic literature that has survived and impacted every subsequent generation is to see that the questions and issues that concern us have always been questions that mankind has struggled with, like Boethius, and before him Socrates, and before him Job. So great literature teaches us that we are not alone in our struggle with these titanic questions.

That being said, I think it is wise to keep in mind the line from the old novel, "The past is a foreign country, they do things differently there." For Boethius, we might change that to "they thought differently then." When we moderns read lines like, “those who commit an injustice are more unhappy than those who suffer it," we feel our brains wrench a little bit as we say, "huh?" That kind of reasoning is so far from the way we think today, or maybe it's as Lady Philosophy says, "Ordinary people don't think that way."

I think for this notion of justice to make sense ultimately, one has to have an eternal perspective. Which Boethius, being a Christian, certainly would have understood this. We may not see the counterintuitive outcomes Lady Philosophy so patiently lays out for Boethius in this life, but we can have hope that in the next, we will see the Good in all its splendid reality.

I'm reminded of this beautiful Scripture from Revelation 21:

"Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them.

They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe

every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for

the old order of things has passed away."

The question is finally not whether to have hope, but what to have hope in.

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